Monday, July 2, 2012

Catalog Bride Syndrome


The last email I read on the Internet discussion group, RajivMalhotraDiscussion, before I left the group for various reasons, prompted me to write this article. Rajiv Malhotra had started a thread, “Are Hindus Today Fit For Hinduism?” and one of the respondents, Geeta Bhatt, psychoanalyzed the Hindus and had this to say (reproduced verbatim – specific phrases italicized):

“I would, however like to add the following observation from a totally different angel - parenting style of India.

A son or a male in India is on one end of the spectrum not allowed to make any decisions or take care of himself in any form or shape. Women are trained to serve the man, from drawing hot water for his bath to laying out his clothes that he would wear to work, to standing like a servant by the dinning table while he eats, but eats what his wife or mother serves him. At the other end of the same spectrum his ego is strokes and pampered at every turn. The inflated empty ego of such a man, is capable of throwing tantrum at home, and exercise a phantom display of power over the women, but in the world of men, he is ineffective, subservient and incapable of speaking his mind or be the leader.

The highly skilled, intelligent,  gifted Indian men when step in to the multinational corporations, they lack the basic skills of taking care of themselves, and appear weak and ineffective in front of others. On the other hand, Indian women of the same category who were taught to be quietly assertive, and be in charge of their homes and husband, fair much better in some situations, and thrive in a white men's world where their opinions and views are respected.

This is just another way of looking at how we are raising our boys, and it's in the kindergarten that one forms the fundamental sense of self worth.  Slavery of the psyche can be changed by teaching boys that they are not ' god's gift', and preserving their empty sense of 'worth' is an old game. The rules have changed and they need to wake up. (June 28, 2012)” 

I do not believe these are Rajiv Malhotra’s views. However, his list is highly moderated and even a well-informed, and well-referenced argument that contradicts his point of view is censored (along with a dismissive note that the member is getting pedantic or even worse “dropping names”), and Malhotra does not hesitate (it is his prerogative though) to edit out other members’ posts or interject his own comments (instead of allowing a member to express himself uninterrupted and then responding without ad hominem attacks). So, it was surprising that this email went through without a murmur. I decided to comment on it since this is a classic example of what Malhotra calls “anxiety from below” in his important work Being Different – An Indian Challenge to Western Universalism. Let us now return to Bhatt’s comments. The gist of her arguments is:

  •  Indian men are incapable of taking care of themselves and cannot assert themselves in front of white men whereas Indian women somehow can
  • Earning the recognition of white man is a mark of success

The first point is baseless, and if anything, is contradicted by facts. Indian men, hailing from such remote places as Moradabad and Kota, not only rise to the top of Wall Street firms and McKinsey but they are also overwhelmingly represented in Silicon Valley innovations. Many of these men went to IIT after cracking IIT-JEE, which is not only the toughest exam in the world but also one which requires a candidate to sacrifice everything else (including grades in class 12) to prepare for IIT-JEE, and only those with the highest self-worth and self-confidence can achieve that. Their children sweep Geo Bee, Spelling Bee, Math and Science Olympiads, and emerge at the top of selection list in almost all leading American universities. In places like Cupertino, unable to compete with Indian kids, whites move out of the neighborhood. This is hardly a symptom of the lack of self-esteem as Bhatt alleges. If these men are unworthy, it is indeed surprising that a FaceBook or LinkedIn should hire Indian boys, hailing from small towns and middle class families, and educated in Indian engineering colleges at phenomenal salaries. If they cannot hold their ground in front of white men then it is surprising that virtually every multi-national consulting firm should setup shops in India, hire Indian men in overwhelming numbers, and deploy them abroad. There is little evidence that Indian women fare better than their male counterparts.

So, what motivated Bhatt’s email? Not facts for sure. It can be best understood in the context of what I call “Catalog Bride Syndrome.” As Malhotra aptly points out in his book, the west suffers from “anxiety from above” and many societies that have been victims of western colonizing exhibit “anxiety from below.” This is often characterized by a compulsive desire to first assume that the western norms are ideal and then to evaluate other societies according to these norms. A westerner is keen, subconsciously or otherwise, on imposing his norms on other societies and these societies in turn are anxious to proclaim their conformance and subservience.
There is yet another characteristic too. The west is inherently a parasitic, selfish and exploitative culture deriving its justification from the Christian notion of Chosen People. It has not only selfishly exploited other societies by colonizing them in the past but continues to do so by other means today - the Swiss secret banking system which encourages stooges of the west to loot ordinary people’s money in developing nations and hide them away in secret bank accounts being an example. This exploitative tendency extends itself to other walks of life too and manifests itself in the form of western male attitude towards the feminine.

A western woman has to play by the rules of the game to fit in. Marriages are hardly sacred in western societies where one leases a spouse just the way one leases a car. Just as one might test drive many cars and eventually lease one for a few years, most westerners date many partners and since their marriages often end in divorces, it is as if they had just leased a partner for the duration of their short-lived marriage. The western model is highly exploitative of women (and children too), treats her as a trophy to be coveted, and does not breed trust. Recent researches in human sexology indicate that nearly 70 percent of western women report faking orgasm and one of the reasons is “insecure avoidance” in which a woman fakes orgasm to avoid difficult discussions with her male partner and to overcome her own sexual insecurities. Another research by the Harvard psychiatrist Harrison Pope which relies upon a computerized measure of body image perception called somatomorphic matrix reveals that an average American, French, or Austrian male believes that he needs an additional 28 lbs of lean muscle to be attractive to the opposite sex (Blakeslee, Sandra and Blakeslee, Matthew: The Body has a Mind of Its Own – How Body Maps in Your Brain Help You Do (Almost) Everything Better, p. 43.). These are symptoms of a latent western male insecurity and discomfort with sexuality. 

This western male insecurity and latent discomfort with sexuality is the reason why they import catalog brides from societies that have repeatedly been assailed by western consumerism, armies, and propaganda, and have started losing their own culture and self worth. A section of white men perceive such catalog brides as more amenable than white women (who are perceived as “high-maintenance” and hence only desirable as sexual mates in one-night stands and not as spouses). So, it is no surprise that insecurity characterizes such relationships, though the reason for this is unlikely to be genetic and may have to be traced back to the western memes.

Catalog brides, often hailing from such countries as China or the Philippines, display anxiety from below. Sometimes, these women marry men old enough to be their fathers for purely material benefits such as getting a green card. Others are victims of western propaganda who experience “anxiety from below” and seek to redeem themselves by marrying an American white spouse. These white men too, in marrying a woman much younger than they are, are coveting a trophy wife and know well that it is their status as a white American that enabled them to get the woman in the first place. However, neither party would admit to it. Instead they rationalize their behavior by portraying themselves as special and blaming others.
Bhatt’s mail is not only devoid of facts but also laden with logical fallacies. Pretending that the proverbial Indian woman who “stands like a servant by the dining table while her husband eats, but eats whatever is leftover” really exists one can be quite certain that she would not have the wherewithal to acquire the skills needed to go abroad, stand in front of the white men Bhatt considers the gold standard, and impress them in the corporate setting with her assertiveness. On the other hand, those women who land such job profiles would have had the best of education, pursued career from a very tender age, and hence wouldn’t have waited by the dinner table. 

One can be reasonably certain that Bhatt is not reporting from her personal experience and that she is repeating a stereotype someone else created. Like many other stereotypes about Indians, i.e, sati or the burning of widows, this too is not a report of a current social reality. The stereotype takes a real or imaginary social behavior from a bygone era, projects it on to contemporary times, and creates the illusion of reality. However, one could very well point out that in the bygone days, unlike the Indian woman, the American white woman actually waited by the dining table and cooked dinner for the family and falsely project it on contemporary American society. However, nobody does it. Why? The reason is that such social stereotypes as the subjugated Indian woman-repressive Indian man is created by the angst-ridden white male who seeks catalog brides and internalized by the likes of Bhatt who display signs of “anxiety from below.”

Fortunately, an overwhelming majority of Indian men and women do not (yet) display such anxiety. They do not seek recognition from white men. They are confident of the skills they bring to the table. Remember that a majority of Indian colleges lack any infrastructure whatsoever unlike American colleges. Despite this limitation, Indians have not the slightest doubt that they would thrive in competition with Americans. They usually do – be it in emerging highly successful in the masters programs or PhD in American universities or successfully competing with their American counterparts in the corporate world. However, a small minority of Indians display Catalog Bride Syndrome. The reason for this is likely to be memetic. They often hail from urban, west-aping families, have been alienated from their own cultures during their stints in convent schools and the parasitic humanities departments of urban Indian colleges (especially from New Delhi or Calcutta), and suffer from low self-esteem. They usually redeem their self-worth by seeking recognition from a white person. One such behavior manifests itself in the form of a compulsive urge to seek and if possible marry a white person.

I do not at all imply that every inter-racial marriage is motivated by this syndrome. I am aware of marriages between self-respecting Indians and white Americans which are entirely motivated by love (though I must clarify that I do not at all imply that such marriages are superior to the traditional Hindu arranged marriage). In such cases, I have also noticed that the married couple hold Indian culture in high regard and do not attempt to falsely stereotype it. However, any stereotyping attempt that privileges one sex (while mischaracterizing the other sex) from a culture and implicitly presents the white man (and never the white woman) as the gold standard should be seen for what it is: Catalog Bride Syndrome.

Imagine what would be the reaction if someone were to create a stereotype of black men lacking assertiveness in front of white men which black women, after a servile waiting beside the black man’s dining table, impressively display in front of white man. Anyone who made that false statement would be correctly called a racist (or a house-slave) and the one who criticizes it appreciated. Why should it be any different when the black man in the above example is replaced by an Indian man? 

11 comments:

  1. A familiar issue that has been dealt with very well

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  2. "A son or a male in India is on one end of the spectrum not allowed to make any decisions or take care of himself in any form or shape. Women are trained to serve the man, from drawing hot water for his bath to laying out his clothes that he would wear to work, to standing like a servant by the dinning table while he eats, ................ men, he is ineffective, subservient and incapable of speaking his mind or be the leader."

    Seems Geetha Bhatt has knowingly or unknowingly internalised Katherine Mayo's description about Indian men.

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  3. Hi Kalavai,

    I don't read the RM list closely and my recent post was an exception. I think I came across this Bhatt post and thought it was so absurd that it did not merit comment. But it is entirely consistent with current doctrines of political correctness as the term is understood and interpreted in the West (and derivatives of it elsewhere). Perhaps that's how it slipped in. I have no idea on who GB might be, what her credentials are and so on.

    By the way, role specialization isn't exactly new and will not disappear soon, in any type of group (family or corporations). Men do most of the dangerous jobs and die young. The case of the Titanic is instructive (rich old men died before poor young women). I am not sure what the catalog bride syndrome is related but it simply reflects the work of the market. If western men find their female counterparts to be too demanding/unattractive, they will look and find what they need elsewhere. Ditto for the women. The portrayal of behaviors in moralistic terms, out of the context in which it occurs/supports is naive/simplistic.

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  4. “Are Hindus Today Fit For Hinduism?” is an absurd question to begin with, hence the replies in that group gets progressively absurd.

    Hinduism is what Hindus practice. There being no central authority or book to follow, we Hindus determine and shape what is Hinduism. Our beliefs and practices have evolved over centuries.

    There is no Hinduism that a Hindu has to adhere to be a Hindu. It is unlike Christianity or Islam, where a particular book, prophets or ideologies need to be followed to the dot to be a Christian or Muslim.

    When one starts off with a wrong question, it will take miracles to arrive at reasonable posts.

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    1. @ Sid
      It is right that Hinduism is different from Islam and Christianity, therefore there is no rigid list of 'dos and don'ts' to qualify for a HIndu but to say that 'Hinduism is what Hindus practice' stretches it too far.
      It can be like saying if a Hindu is eating beef then it is also Hinduism, which will be contrary to the spirit of Sanatan Dharm.
      But the same phrase of 'Hinduism is what Hindus practice' can be acceptable if one can define 'Hindu'.

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  5. Here is my response to the comments of Sriram and Sid. Catalog Bride Syndrome cannot be simply characterized as the “work of the market” without asking the more pertinent question: What shapes the market forces? Three factors shape the market forces in the context of Catalog Bride Syndrome:

    1. Christian notion of Chosen People: According to this westerners display a sense of entitlement and believe that they are the privileged class.

    2. Christian notion of inferiority of woman: She is subservient to man and has to be treated as a commodity.

    3. Lack of moral scruples: The Christian west is at the core adharmic. They commit genocides and never express any remorse for that. A western male feels no remorse for killing a Vietnamese man and then “marrying” a Vietnamese woman. However, this behavior just a variant of the biblical mandate that the Chosen People should commit the genocides of other peoples and take as captives virgin women from their ranks (Exodus 34:10-13, Leviticus 26:7-9, Numbers 31:17-18).

    A combination of these three factors privileges a western man over a western woman. Near-sightedness and a tamasic nature characterize any man-woman relationship in the west. However, while they create an illusion of freedom on the surface, they destroy the dhārmic core within an individual. A western man thinks that a western woman is “high-maintenance,” “untrustworthy,” etc. A western woman, having not had any exposure to dharma, lacks any perspective of freedom. Scientific studies confirm that this mindset has resulted in western women being highly unsatisfied (even sexually she has to fake orgasm to fit in). Western men, having destroyed the feminine within their society, look for the next woman to exploit. Women from colonized societies come handy. Dharma or the lack of it shapes social memeplexes. It is important to understand it and not to simplistically and meaninglessly ascribe it all to market forces as if market forces are causeless.

    It is true that there is no central book or prophet in Hinduism. However, Hinduism is not “what Hindus practice.” Going by that definition, the practice of Ram Mohan Roy foolishly glorifying Jesus should count as Hinduism. If a Hindu foolishly thinks that working for a call center, eating steak, and speaking in fake American accent is Hinduism would it be so? Hinduism is governed by a profound notion of dharma, which is also the constraining force for all other puruṣārtas. Daily existence for a Hindu of any sampradāya is the practice of various sādhanas. Even indulgence in pleasure is constrained by these factors and actually results in amplification of pleasure. These constraints govern one’s existence within varṇa, jāti, and āśramas and are the main reasons why Hindu society is not exploitative unlike the parasitic Christian west. It is important to understand these differences.

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  6. A very good post KV.. by saying, that wives were made serve husbands, they have skillfully moved the focus from the family towards the individual..

    So my question comes.. Whom did the wife serve? The husband, or the family he leads?

    Secondly, is the husband just sitting comfortably, and enjoying all these? NO.. the husband earns NOT just for him, but for his family..

    Third, how about the mother, daughter and sister, who are also women...

    Incidently, Bhatt has no issue in women serving corporate bosses, often sexually abused and exploited, but finds serving the family as backward & oppressive..
    It is these people who sees, marriage as oppressive, whereas short term sexual relationships as mark of individual freedom..

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  7. Used to be only Desi women complained about Desi men failing to individuate from the mothers (mama's boy syndrome) but now that Desi men have entered the global dating and marriage market, non-Desi women have to contend with this issue also. Google "gori blogs" or "gori blogosphere".

    Its endemic, and one of the reasons why like you, I am also generally wary of inter-cultural relationships of the Desi with non-Desi variety particularly when its a Desi man with a non-Desi woman. The Desi woman with non-Desi man type of relationship does appear to work out more smoothly though. This is because the Desi ma-beta dynamic is absent.

    Geeta Bhatt says the implications of this failure to psychologically launch impacts the careers of Desi men. I can't speak to that. I can only speak to its impact on marriage and romantic relationships.

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  8. My response to Deshi:

    I am afraid that your position is just another variant of the Catalog Bride Syndrome because you write exactly what the white men want to hear - that an Indian woman-white man marriage is preferable to an Indian man-white woman marriage. In addition, you also repeat the usual stereotype (created by the white male) of the Indian male as some kind of "mommy's boy." This is illogical because inter-racial marriages usually happen in families that are affluent, west-aping, and quite nuclear. The quest for gori is noticed among a small section of urban, westernized Punjabis and they are quite glad to have landed one and hold her high as a trophy.

    I, on the other hand, reject such marriages because they are first and foremost predatory as explained in my post. I recognize that on rare occasions people can fall in love across race boundaries and still retain their love for Indian traditions. However, a majority of Indian-white marriages are of the predatory and adharmic variety.

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  9. I disagree that the majority of deshi males marrying non-deshi females (gori, kali or otherwise) is "predatory" (dating is something else, might be majority predatory) unless they are green card diggers. If you read the gori blogs you will see that there is genuine love appearant in most of them. But there are mama's boys issues and in-law issues of a very specific desi variety. What was once only a problem for desi brides and girlfriends is now a global issue due to desi/non-desi cross-cultural love and marriage.

    That things can be smoother for the desi woman who marries a non-desi man simply because of the differeing roles expected of a son and daughter in law in our culture. If you are really an Indian and have ever lived in India, if only for a month, then you know exactly what I'm talking about. So obviously Geeta Bhatt is a real desi living in the traditional real desi way (like most Indians) and her opinions are based on that, not some nuclear family in the west wherein the desi son individuated from his mother in young adulthood and is carving his own way in life as a grown-ass man.

    I said nothing of "white" by the way. There are plenty of non-white men who are with desi women. And its not "white men" who created the mama's boy reputation of desi men rather its their mothers and wives. Their mothers for smothering them and using them as a type of surrogate husband, and their wives for complaining about this, now on the world wide web for the entire world to read.

    And if you read the gori blogs you might be surprised to learn there are quite a few of them who are living with their in-laws either full time or part of the year and its an issue.


    Look, every system has its pros and cons. We need not be afraid of airing our cons, we are not the only imperfect people on the planet. Denying the very real issues that are endemic to our culture does not help us in anyway to improve. Self reflection is necessary for growth. With globalization, the internet, and desis entering the international mating market, it was only a matter of time before the cons, as well as pros, of our approach to parenting, dating, sexuality and marriage would be exposed. Let's face it head on like reasonable adults.

    Now on to more "pressing" matters. ;)

    Regarding orgasm, for the male readership here I'll give you a heads up, pun intended ;) If your woman is not either having an orgasm or faking it, that's when you have to start to worry. If she's not faking in the absence of one, and in the absence of discussing it, that means she knows you don't give a damn whether she has one or not, so why bother? We only fake with men we know our pleasure matters to. Otherwise they would just lay there like a silent corpse.

    Are you aware that some men fake orgasms too? When people do so its because their partner puts effort into pleasing them and they want to show some indication that they are pleased, even if they don't neccessarily orgasm.

    Beyond that, I have a question for those of you reading who may be married and living in a joint family situation, how do you manage to have explosive orgasms? We all know they depend on feeling totally relaxed and secure so we can let ourselves go and scream with wild abandon if it comes to that. So how do you manage that in a joint family household with little to no privacy?

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    1. PS: this article by an Indian doctor pretty much sums it up and does a good job of describing the female partner's psychology in such a situation

      http://themindpath.blogspot.com/2011/06/mamas-boy-great-gamble-between-wife.html

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